If «Greeks» can call themselves Greeks, «Skopians» can call themselves Skopians


Macedonia is not Greek.

Obama was born in Hawaii.

The September 11 2001 attacks were carried out by Osama bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists.

The Pentagon was hit by an airliner.

Chemtrails are nothing but water vapor.

Geoengineering is a sane response to anthropogenic climate change, which nobody desires (apart from those who deny it is occurring) and nobody is deliberately causing.

HAARP is a harmless upper-atmosphere research project.

All recent tsunamis, earthquakes and other disasters have been examples of «the revenge of Mother Nature».

Genetically modified foods are safe for human consumption and a solution for «world hunger».

Nuclear weapons are a necessary and effective deterrent against conventional military attack, both for the United States and for other states that possess them (apart from China and Pakistan) but not for states that do not possess them.

Nuclear power is a defensible, responsible and economically viable way of generating electricity.

All the above has more or less become the required credo for the well-adjusted and “normal” citizen of today.

Can this reality-defying credo be “made to stick”? Often it appears that Greece has been elevated into a test case, a global guinea-pig whose function is to provide the answer to this, i.e. to whether the credo can be successfully imposed on the world under construction, the world of comatose masses and neo-slavery.

Let us see if it can be challenged from its apparently most innocuous and least interesting component: Macedonia.

Greeks call the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM, its legal and internationally recognized [provisional] name) Skopia (Skopje) and its citizens Skopians. Greeks do not believe that anyone else other than themselves could be expected to accept, understand or sympathize with this terminology. But isn’t the word “Greek” the same kind of word: a pejorative Western term for Hellene? If Hellenes can be called Greeks, and – in English – call themselves Greeks, why can inhabitants of FYROM not be called, and – in English – call themselves – Skopians? They should. And Greeks should get into the habit of calling them Skopians simply and unaggressively in English when speaking to foreigners. If the problem of the citizens of FYROM is that they don’t want to be Greek, they don’t want to be Serb, they don’t want to be Bulgarian, they don’t want to be Albanian, they don’t want to be Yugoslav, they don’t want to be proletarian internationalist, they don’t want to be….etc. etc., then they are Skopians: it is as simple as that. It is not necessary, and no viable solution for them, to choose an option without authentic substance that depends for its credibility on the goodwill of planetary masters who are also riding roughshod over reality in other much more dangerous ways. It is wrong for the citizens of FYROM to allow their own peculiar identity problem to remain a problem and be exploited by the worst enemies of the human race.

The following are details of (what would be seen as a trivial) incident that occurred in Austria last summer (the summer of 2011) at the forum on food sovereignty held by the organization NYELENI. http://www.nyelenieurope.net/

The behavior at the forum of certain delegates from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia was provocative. When I, as one of the Greeks present, reacted to it in a way that indicated that I was not willing to accept insults without protest, the forum organizers showed by their attitude that they regarded me, rather than the behavior of the FYROM delegates in question, as the problem. There was nothing unusual about this. It is the norm, just as many other bizarre assumptions are in today’s world.

I think that many times Greeks do not react in an organized manner in the face of provocations from FYROM citizens. The relevant polarization occurs primarily at the summit of politics. At the level of civil society, Greek leftists and ecologists in particular tend to think, or at least to say, that “it is not worth making a fuss over such irrelevant nonsense”.

Fortunately at the NYELENI forum there were three members of EPAM, the United Popular Front, http://www.epam-hellas.gr, who decided not to follow the usual tactic, or rather non-tactic, of Greek leftists in relation to such “patriotic” themes. They/we drew up an official letter of protest and sent it to the steering committee of the forum. The answer we received may be read below.

Because I believe that our reaction should serve as an example to Greek citizens of what can be achieved with a little persistence, I wanted our successful protest to be given publicity within our organization EPAM, and perhaps not only there.

But the reaction of EPAM members was lukewarm. The fact is that Leftists do NOT want to see dynamic projection of national questions of this type that provoke internal arguments and appear tiresome to outsiders.

If others see the point of making the incident better known, personally I would be pleased.

Here is the official letter of protest, preceded by the answer to it:

W. Hall http://www.enouranois.gr

Dear people of the Greek delegation!

As you demanded I changed the title of the country in the documents into FYROM.

M.P. (of Via Campesina, Austria)


From: The Greek Delegation to the Forum

Regarding: Official Complaint

First of all we would like to extend our thanks for a very well-organized event in Krems; we can assure you it has given us the necessary drive to bring this important message to our country and to organize the Food Sovereignty Movement on our ground.

Unfortunately, one of our neighboring countries has used this Forum as grounds for promoting their national propaganda against our own country and, contrary to international and European laws and agreements. Since silence counts as acceptance, we are left with no other choice but to launch this formal complaint.

The country in question is FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia). According to the UN resolution A/RES/47/225 dating 8/4/1993, this country has been accepted as a member of the United Nations under the name FYROM – please also look into the attached file to read the full resolution. The UN has subsequently urged all countries, organizations etc. to use this as the formal name when addressing this country, until a final solution is reached between the two parties1 (Greece and FYROM).


With regards to the EU stance on the matter: the European Union complies fully with the UN resolution and refers to the country as FYROM:


Therefore, we would urge you to change the name of this country to the correct form -i.e. FYROM in all documentation, websites, links, communication etc as per the above mentioned UN resolution.

Furthermore, we condemn the provocative behavior of a member of the FYROM delegation who was seen wearing a T-shirt with a symbol that has been recognized as Greek Copyright since 1995 and contained the wording ‘Republic Of Macedonia’ – details on the copyright can be found here:


In 1995, Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia concluded an Interim Accord, which imposed a binding “code of conduct”. One of the paragraphs mentions the prohibition, under article 7.2. of “symbols – including the Vergina Sun and other symbols that are part of Greece’s historical and cultural heritage”. Other instances of such violations include the renaming of Skopje’s airport “Alexander the Great”, the raising of statues of Alexander the Great and Philip II, and naming the section of Corridor X that passes through the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia “Alexander the Macedonian”.

For more information on the official Greek view of the issue you can follow this link:


We need to stress the importance of such claims and stop this provocative behavior when it arises because … “two can play this game”! And we are certain this is not what you want to happen in forums where we are gathering to discuss matters of a completely different nature. Just imagine the whole of the Greek delegation sporting banners, T-shirts etc. with ‘Macedonia is Greek’ on them… Since this is not the first event in which such provocative actions have taken place, we are adamant on the scope of these actions. We would like you to also condemn this behavior in order to safeguard the true meaning of such gatherings and in order not to provide a stage for such unilateral propaganda to take place. A propaganda which, we may add, is funded by a well-known New World Order Foundation.

Signed by the (8-member) Greek Delegation to the European NYELENI Forum in Krems:


Department of political affairs

Greece – The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

The Department of Political Affairs provides staff support and guidance to the Personal Envoy of the United Nations Secretary-General for talks aimed at resolving the name dispute between Greece and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Negotiations on the name dispute began in 1993 and have continued since 1999 under the auspices of Personal Envoy Matthew Nimetz. While no solution has been reached so far, both parties have cooperated in the process and urged the continuation of the efforts of the Secretary-General and his Personal Envoy.



3 responses to “If «Greeks» can call themselves Greeks, «Skopians» can call themselves Skopians

  1. 1. The view of Serbian journalist Mara Kern:

    You are absolutely right. Yugoslav republic Macedonia had complete freedom in Yugoslavia. Unfortunately they decided among the first to support the breakup of Yugoslavia. Now they are a small, poor, undeveloped country, divided among «Macedonians» and Albanians (they have a dream to be part of Albania). In «Macedonia» there are also Serbs, Bulgarians, gypsies, Muslims… they do not call themselves «Macedonians». It seems that it is OK if some people decide to call themselves Macedonians; nobody cares about it. But the name of a state is another thing: If this is problem for a neighbors, this is international problem, and they must solve it in the UN. So «Macedonians» must agree to live in the state with another name, if the name they prefer smells for Greeks like aggression.

    Serbia had another kind of problem. As we lived hundred of years in Yugoslavia, and found the country, we felt like Yugoslav people, and after separatist movements in Yugoslavia, Serbs did ot want to leave Yugoslavia, nor to change the name of the state. Milošević did his best to preserve Yugoslavia (with all privileges and rights – YU was founder of UN), but at the end they killed Milošević and Yugoslavia. So Serbs were forced to live in a freak state «Serbia and Montenegro» (for a short time) and at the end Montenegro separated from Serbia and we stay alone and «independent» (from ourselves). So the name of the state must not follow its ethnic name. Serbs felt good in a state with the name Yugoslavia. Others did not. People that call themselves «Macedonians» and do not want to respect Greek history, must accept to live in a new state with a new name, according to international decisions.

    A new problem for Serbs is Kosovo. It was the old Serbian cradle, and we feel bad when Albanians take the name Kosovo for part of the land that belonged to the Serbian people in the past. And all Serbian orthodox churches and monasteries now belong to Albanians and the UN call them Kosovo heritage: that means that it belong now to Albanians. They took the name of our province for their state, and you must understand how we feel about it: like when «Macedonians» want to take name for state Macedonia (part of Greek history). But the UN in our case were unfair. Greeks should go on fighting.

    A video introduced by Mara Kern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIVV0GaKILY&feature=player_embedded

    2. The view of Tassos Kafantaris, science correspondence of “TO VIMA”:

    I fully agree with the protest and the way it was written. Just a small notice though: Our neighbours face a historical void in as much they lack even the right to use the term «Skopja» because it is … also Greek: It stems from Episkope. On the same issue, the term Greeks is not just a «Western name for Hellenes»: According to the Ancient Greek cosmogony, Grecos was the elder of Deucalion’s sons (the survivor of the Cataclysm). Normally, their descendants should be called Greeks, but Grecos established his kingdom in Northwestern Greece (nowadays South Albania) and Hellen – the second son – was the one who led the rest to Southern Greece. This is the reason why the Europeans got accustomed to know these people by the name Greeks, while they themselves preferred the name Hellenes. The tragic irony for our neighbours is that they do not possess a name at all to reflect who they are. Sarcastically, history might suggest for them the name Bastarnae, by which a tribe of current-day Bulgaria-Romania was called in Roman times, meaning the were bastards of diluted tribes!…

    A. Kafantaris
    An article on HAARP by Tassos Kafantaris

  2. More from Mara Kern:

    I have something to add about people who call themself Macedonians:

    Here is some data about the relationship to the history of other nations: in FYROM are mass graves of Serbian soldiers. The state does not care about them. In Bitola town is the Serbian military cemetery from World War I. The cemetery is overgrown with weeds. In the Battle of Bitola, Yugoslav authorities built a memorial tower. The tower was destroyed by Bulgarian fascists in 1941, but no one has ever restored it – it is, as stated, overgrown with weeds. Maybe it has something to do with the problem of small nations. They are still searching for identity, and in the meantime, they do not respect other people’s traditions.

    Serbian military cemeteries in Greece are preserved and respected: Zejtinlik in Thessaloniki, Vido island, field Janis Janulus field… The Greeks respect our graves. Others do not. People from FYROM must solve this problem.


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